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Hyperdefinability of the Lie model for approximate subgroups

Abstract

Hrushovski proved the Lie model theorem in full generality with model theoretic methods. The theorem states that for every approximate group there exists a generalized definable locally compact model, which, simplifying, is a quasi-homomorphism from the group generated by the approximate subgroup to a locally compact group with some particular properties. Pillay and Krupinski proved the same theorem using topological dynamics on a locally compact type space. In this paper we study the definability of the locally compact group image of the quasihomomorphism in this second proof. We show that it is isomorphic as a topological group to a relatively hyperdefinable locally compact group.

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Beatrice Degasperi. 2025-12-16. Hyperdefinability of the Lie model for approximate subgroups. https://arxiv.org/abs/2512.14250

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